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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:53:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:
What is holding FW back in my opinion is more the OGB alts which allow a static player to camp plexes in ships which punch twice or three times above their weight, which gets very boring very quickly, so no one engages them and the situation gets rather tired. Whenever CCP brings the nerf bat onto this will really address alt proliferation and allow small gangs to attack certain other players faction fit pimped cruisers with the booster on the field. You'll get most of the benefit with all of the risk you should be taking for paying two subs and only ever risking nything with one.
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What is holding FW back in my opinion is more the OGB alts which allow a static player to camp plexes in ships which punch twice or three times above their weight, which gets very boring very quickly, so no one engages them and the situation gets rather tired. Whenever CCP brings the nerf bat onto this will really address alt proliferation and allow small gangs to attack certain other players faction fit pimped cruisers with the booster on the field. You'll get most of the benefit with all of the risk you should be taking for paying two subs and only ever risking nything with one.
Because I can't say it better myself. +1[/quote]
Normally, i agree with and thoroughly enjoy  99.99% of Trinkets comments > but I do disagree that OGB is the largest variable 'holding back FW' fights these days. Will caveat this by saying 95% of the time i fly small/very small gangs which is very much alive and kicking in FW right now, and the below is purely from that perspective.
In my personal (and completely selfish) small gang experience > boosts get us fights we otherwise would not get or could not take.
- Its FAR too easy in EVE for anyone with half a brain to avoid PvP and 90% of the battle is getting the fight in the first place:
- In plexes, it's about having an edge and getting your target(s) to see whats coming and think ''we can take that'' and sticking around/engaging in the first place. Most people seeing an equal (or perceived equal or greater) force showing up on d-scan will leave and/or ship up immediately.
- Without boosts, you simply cant fight 2v1 outnumbered with incumbent destroyers in a minor plex unless your ganking complete nubs or Dan Carter Murray and co, and i god-damn-guarantee that if you bring a friend and try and fight 2v2 in that same situation that you wont get that fight. Incumbents will run away 8/10 times.
- Re-read Christine Peeveepeeskis response in this thread - none of that small gang they run would be possible without boosts. I applaud them for hanging around and having the cahunas to do what they do.
That's my own very small gang 2 cents on OGB, and i fully appreciate there will be a much larger majority of F1 monkeys and fleet members that wont see eye-to-eye with my selfish perspective on this one.
What IS holding FW back (in terms of the larger 10-40 man gang and plex fights that OP refers) is CCPs quite frankly ridiculous stance that the underdog should be disadvantaged further in FW. People wanted consequence and I guess I can understand that but it has gone too far. The underdog should be getting advantaged so they have a perceivable hope of no longer being the underdog and decide to fight. Its so simple.
It's this that is primarily 'holding back FW' and not booster alts Trinket.
The reason we used to get those larger plex fights was because there was an Amarr opponent to fight that was capable and interested and willing to FC and field the numbers consistently.
Larger gang plex fighting on that scale began to die out when CCP handicapped the old school Amarr corps and they left. They were replaced (thank the lord) by people like Agony and others that have been amazing for the small/micro gang PvP environment and the medium/larger gang has blipped with subsequent patches (and im certainly praying that it will blip up again on the 4th December) but until they change the underlying issue and encourage the underdog we simply wont see those awesome plex fights that OP mentions (luv u Dev.xx) consistently and regularly running in the way that we all want.
The new ships, toys, and the ECM nerf are very welcome and should definitely provide a boost to FW pew-pew as every new patch does but my concern is that until the underlying issue of disadvantaging the disadvantaged is fixed it will all be temporary. 
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